Building A Perfect Beast

I recently started the process of building a new machine. Vista has shipped, along with a new Adobe Creative Suite 3, Microsoft Office 2007, and since new and improved CPU cycle sapping – "productivity enhancers" are on the way (Orcas and Katmai) it's time to upgrade. My old AGP based, AMD socket 939 motherboard, with DDR 400 memory and IDE drives doesn't feel fast anymore. My Xbox 360 currently smokes my PC as a game machine at the moment. It felt like a new chapter in the never ending war between Gate's Law and Moore's Law (right now I'd say Microsoft is winning) had dawned. Anyway, here's what Vista thinks of my current machine…

Regrettably, my machine feels like 2.4, despite the fact it has 2 GB of RAM, so it's probably influenced my initial thoughts on Vista. At any rate, a few weeks ago I scored an AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ CPU and some Mini-ATX board made in some 3rd world country by 8 year old orphans special from the local Fry's for $229. Apparently the new Intel Core 2 Duo CPUs is putting a world of hurt on AMD. Usually AMD's top of the line chip doesn't sell for $200, 2 months after general release. That's OK, AMD's pain is my gain. I figured at that price, I could throw away the motherboard and come out ahead. So for the past month or so, I've bought a lot of modern hardware to go with my fast CPU (EVGA 8600 GTS - DX 10 – PIC-E graphics card, WD Raptor SATA hard drive, Lian Li 500W power supply, DDR2 800 memory, an AM2 ATX motherboard, etc.) Besides, if I want to switch back to an Intel platform or upgrade to a multi-monitor setup, I needed compatible/faster parts anyway.

So this past weekend, I put everything together, and the machine refuses to boot or post. Lovely… I then play musical spare parts to figure out what part is bad. Unfortunately, since the entire machine is made up of new parts of unknown quality, it takes me longer to figure what's causing the problem. Typically, I just upgrade on component at time, which makes it easier to play PC doctor. Anyway, I eventually figured out that the Asus M2N-E motherboard didn't like my CPU. So go back to Computer Stop and exchange the board out for an Asus M2N-SLI motherboard. No luck either… At this point, I figure I need a BIOS upgrade since all the part combinations I've tried seem to work when I threw the CPU in the Mini-ATX board I got. Unfortunately, I need a slower CPU in the motherboard in order to flash the BIOS. According to the Asus website, the 6000+ is a compatible CPU, although Google-ling for answers led me to many complaints about that CPU/Mobo combo on the various hardware forums and no real answers.

At any rate, after a week of frustration I've dropped the whole thing off with the technicians at the local computer store and let them play the make it boot game. I figure their time is cheaper than mine (I got a Realtor.com feed to implement), and they are more likely to know the ins & outs of modern hardware than I do (like why does my power supply have a 12V 4+4 power connection, but my motherboard doesn't?) Anybody know what the differences between the ATX v2.0 and ATX v2.2 PSU standards? I initial thought my power supply was the problem, but I tried an old Enermax PSU and it had the same problem with that motherboard.

Building your own PC is fun and a relatively inexpensive way of getting a screaming fast machine. Unfortunately, when the parts don't want to play together, it becomes a joyless experience. Ugh, now I know why people buy Dells & Apples.

Print | posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:08 AM

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# re: Building A Perfect Beast

Gravatar left by Robbie at 5/10/2007 4:13 PM
Back from the computer store with good news.

Apparently, I had a Mini-ATX board in my case at some point (I don't remember it, but I change CPU/motherboards almost as often as most people change their oil). I had stand-offs for such a board in my case. Unfortunately, when I installed the ATX board, the standoffs for Mini-ATX board shorted out my ATX motherboard. (hence preventing the boot-up). Removing the stand offs, removed the problem. Also, the newest boards have 12V 4+4 power connections (so if you have an older board, just use one of the 4).

Figures that 15 cents of screws and stand-offs would sink a $1500 computer. Oh well, you learn something new every day. It's good to know the local computer store helps their customers though.

# re: Building A Perfect Beast

Gravatar left by Matt Lavallee at 1/6/2008 5:19 AM
Hey Robbie,
I used to be fairly dedicated to building my own boxes, too. I even used to write for ArsTechnica. But, after having kids and a busy full-time job, I've found that the extra 10% premium (which is what it's about down to, if at all) is worth the hassle. Between you, me, and the readers, I actually still have a box that I started 18 months ago and never finished. Those things are a serious timesuck.

So, what's your Vista score up to now? I haven't seen much that actually posts above a 3.8 (including 5K workstation-class boxes).

-Matt

# re: Building A Perfect Beast

Gravatar left by Robbie at 1/6/2008 1:23 PM
My machine's current base score is 5.4...

Here's the details of my hardware config...

5.4 - Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+
5.9 - Memory (RAM): Kingstron PC6400 RAM - 3.50 GB+
5.9 - Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS PCI-E
5.6 - Gaming graphics: See above
5.9 - Primary hard disk: Western Digital Raptor150GB SATA10K RPM

I figure a newer AMD Triple/Dual Core or Intel Quad/Dual Core CPU would probably improve the CPU score for a reasonable investment. All the other hardware I'd use to speed things up further isn't cost effective.

# re: Building A Perfect Beast

Gravatar left by Robbie at 1/6/2008 1:37 PM
Matt,

I still like building the machines (it usually takes me a weekend afternoon), but I hear you. If I can't get it working within a couple hours, I take it back to the place where I bought the parts, and let them get it working. My problem is I don't know what to do with the spare parts (old graphics/sound cards, old CD-R drives, small hard drives). I don't feel good about throwing away stuff that still works, and I usually try to give it away to friends and family.

For desktop machines I agree you're probably better off getting a Dell/HP/etc off the shelf, but then I'd spend hours remove crapware. My home built machines, run retail version Windows that are crap free. I guess I'm trading time dorking w/ hardware for time un dorking up the OEM crapware.

For servers, all the vendors I've seen seem to charge more than a 10% premium. Maybe when my home brew server dies, maybe I'll buy a couple of Dell blades (or Super Micro), I dunno.

What's your opinion of server vendors that support Windows? Who do you like / dislike? The problem w/ home brew is if you get unlucky with hardware, your life sucks cause you gotta fix it. Then again I only have 1 server, so if it dies, I'm swiming in sh*t creek anyway. I hope someday, I'll get big enough to have multiple machines, so if one dies, I can take it off-line, and still have my apps online and customers happy, while the dead box is getting fixed.
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